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6 thoughts on “Autopoesis

  1. Alan,
    You may want to spell the distinction properly autopoiese first.

    I din’t know what your expectations are in the post and starting off by saying “autopoiese” “disease” and claiming programing in genetics maybe setting off the conversation in the wrong manner of learning.

    1st of all we live in a dynamic quantum scalar living universe in physics and only 1% is visible material in forms and shapes called matter existing in time and space.
    2nd what makes you and I exceptional curious living agents is the fact that we are presently reflecting on the unity existing in the particle wave physics in the dynamic quantum reality meaning that we existed in the beginning and before the existence of time and space continuum in consciousness and are explicitly reflecting in the unitary epistemology of autopoiese as autopoietic virtual identities and narratives in the eternal infinite continuum of a living universe in this present moment.
    3rd whatever we may say in this regard is at best an infantile speculation that may be reality or a mistake and celebrating any expectation as knowing truth or reality is a mistake because as closed autopoietic biological central nervous systems you and I have a vastly different experience as a conscious awareness of the unity in history. History of any autopoietic agency is the coherent awareness of transformations in its self conservation as a unity intimately connected to the surrounded environment which is extremely unique for every agent. Your niche identity is different than my identity. And the environment surrounding an autopoietic agent triggers perturbation in breakdowns that constantly reinvents a virtual narrative through the plasticity in the dynamics of the unitary epistemology of autopoiese. So we Homo sapiens amans are a reflective self referencing dynamic animal capable of tremendous transformation in languaging between one another when we share a triadic third niche in mutual dignity in coexistence. Conversations are triadic unitary happenings like the unitary development of the rooster, hen and egg. So enjoy being in conversation with no expectations of one another and see what together is birthed in consensual human commitment in doing not thinking or arguing over what came first the rooster, hen or egg.
    4) We are structurally determined Homo sapiens amans based in biology of love and our virtual identities and narratives are not determined we co-evolving and are currently becoming consciously aware explicitly welcoming back the future in a process of the universe becoming aware of itself as you and I in languaging. Autopoiese is simply saying we are human beings in a process of realization in the circularity of living with specified biological niches. Disease and death occurs from breaking the coherences in the surrounding medium and is fact of living as a biological unity in circularity in this 3rd dimensional reality. So what? Its like a momentary breath in the infinite eternal spans of existence in the consciousness of presence playing us like a flute for its pure wonderful enjoyment.

    What do you (i) (we) (us) have to fear in this notion of disease and death?
    What responsibility (ability to respond) does an observer niche have for the observations being offered as disease, lack, limitation, disability or problems?
    If the universe is structurally determined autopoiese becoming aware of itself as a virtual identity and narrative then everything going is perfect regardless of the commentary of the autopoietic observer error in the autopoieitic paradox of being a coherent unity in the history of the swept along historic drift?
    So what does it mean in autopoiese to be structurally determined system and not structurally determined as an autopoietic virtual identity and narrative in conversations?
    Loving the journey since 1984 and feeling the meaning and value of freedom.
    Enough Later Mushin

  2. Alan,
    You may want to spell the distinction properly autopoiese first.

    I din’t know what your expectations are in the post and starting off by saying “autopoiese” “disease” and claiming programing in genetics maybe setting off the conversation in the wrong manner of learning.

    1st of all we live in a dynamic quantum scalar living universe in physics and only 1% is visible material in forms and shapes called matter existing in time and space.
    2nd what makes you and I exceptional curious living agents is the fact that we are presently reflecting on the unity existing in the particle wave physics in the dynamic quantum reality meaning that we existed in the beginning and before the existence of time and space continuum in consciousness and are explicitly reflecting in the unitary epistemology of autopoiese as autopoietic virtual identities and narratives in the eternal infinite continuum of a living universe in this present moment.
    3rd whatever we may say in this regard is at best an infantile speculation that may be reality or a mistake and celebrating any expectation as knowing truth or reality is a mistake because as closed autopoietic biological central nervous systems you and I have a vastly different experience as a conscious awareness of the unity in history. History of any autopoietic agency is the coherent awareness of transformations in its self conservation as a unity intimately connected to the surrounded environment which is extremely unique for every agent. Your niche identity is different than my identity. And the environment surrounding an autopoietic agent triggers perturbation in breakdowns that constantly reinvents a virtual narrative through the plasticity in the dynamics of the unitary epistemology of autopoiese. So we Homo sapiens amans are a reflective self referencing dynamic animal capable of tremendous transformation in languaging between one another when we share a triadic third niche in mutual dignity in coexistence. Conversations are triadic unitary happenings like the unitary development of the rooster, hen and egg. So enjoy being in conversation with no expectations of one another and see what together is birthed in consensual human commitment in doing not thinking or arguing over what came first the rooster, hen or egg.
    4) We are structurally determined Homo sapiens amans based in biology of love and our virtual identities and narratives are not determined we co-evolving and are currently becoming consciously aware explicitly welcoming back the future in a process of the universe becoming aware of itself as you and I in languaging. Autopoiese is simply saying we are human beings in a process of realization in the circularity of living with specified biological niches. Disease and death occurs from breaking the coherences in the surrounding medium and is fact of living as a biological unity in circularity in this 3rd dimensional reality. So what? Its like a momentary breath in the infinite eternal spans of existence in the consciousness of presence playing us like a flute for its pure wonderful enjoyment.

    What do you (i) (we) (us) have to fear in this notion of disease and death?
    What responsibility (ability to respond) does an observer niche have for the observations being offered as disease, lack, limitation, disability or problems?
    If the universe is structurally determined autopoiese becoming aware of itself as a virtual identity and narrative then everything going is perfect regardless of the commentary of the autopoietic observer error in the autopoieitic paradox of being a coherent unity in the history of the swept along historic drift?
    So what does it mean in autopoiese to be structurally determined system and not structurally determined as an autopoietic virtual identity and narrative in conversations?
    Loving the journey since 1984 and feeling the meaning and value of freedom.
    Enough Later Mushin

  3. Your deeply rich understanding of autopoesis is poetry and science and systems and the essence of the universe. Our tiny movie does not do justice to autopoesis and I would like to encourage you to work with us on that teaching. When humans typically think of disease, their mind has assembled constructs that understand disease as some hidden set of medical stuff. We are trying for meaning, and for us, the construct of disease has nothing to do with good nor bad, it is an observation from one viewpoint of the exchanges involving our bodies. Our observation is that if a system has its own dimensions of programming and code and function, and if some factor is introduced that is completely foreign, new, or unidentifiable to the systemic being, the consequences that deplete the potential of the being can be thought of as disease. A universal autopoetic viewpoint would point out that during every instance of a beings existence, there are an immense spectrum of exchanges that ebb and flow, generate and deconstruct, across every level of bodily existence and function. We notice disease in our current worldview because we have institutionalized certain measures and symptoms that characterize it by definition. But autopoetically, we know everything is folding and unfolding in incredible detail and nuance, and what we call medicine is just beginning to understand through measures and descriptions certain components of the lifesystems, and we more often find ourselves putting out self inflicted fires than preventing the forest fires in the body – like smokey bear, or understanding the forest fires that occur in our body are a part of the system of life.

  4. Your deeply rich understanding of autopoesis is poetry and science and systems and the essence of the universe. Our tiny movie does not do justice to autopoesis and I would like to encourage you to work with us on that teaching. When humans typically think of disease, their mind has assembled constructs that understand disease as some hidden set of medical stuff. We are trying for meaning, and for us, the construct of disease has nothing to do with good nor bad, it is an observation from one viewpoint of the exchanges involving our bodies. Our observation is that if a system has its own dimensions of programming and code and function, and if some factor is introduced that is completely foreign, new, or unidentifiable to the systemic being, the consequences that deplete the potential of the being can be thought of as disease. A universal autopoetic viewpoint would point out that during every instance of a beings existence, there are an immense spectrum of exchanges that ebb and flow, generate and deconstruct, across every level of bodily existence and function. We notice disease in our current worldview because we have institutionalized certain measures and symptoms that characterize it by definition. But autopoetically, we know everything is folding and unfolding in incredible detail and nuance, and what we call medicine is just beginning to understand through measures and descriptions certain components of the lifesystems, and we more often find ourselves putting out self inflicted fires than preventing the forest fires in the body – like smokey bear, or understanding the forest fires that occur in our body are a part of the system of life.

  5. Alan,
    Great comeback in appreciative inquiry and dialog and thank you for your kind generosity and notion of teaching which is a deep a passionate desire. Let me spend a few days reflecting and thinking about this possible possibility of dis~ease and the healing effects of the unitary epistemology of autopoiese as a reflection in the collective cultural matrix that cuts to the bone and marrow of human illness and collective psychotic behaviors.

    Very busy at the moment with TOOTE~V3W LLC and Maka Si Tomni endeavor at Pine Ridge Reservation and this appreciative conversation flows into a deep reflective tactical activity occurring in the landscape of relationships and points to a bright new dawn on the horizon very soon.

    Keep praying!
    Later Mushin

    Mushin

  6. Alan,
    Great comeback in appreciative inquiry and dialog and thank you for your kind generosity and notion of teaching which is a deep a passionate desire. Let me spend a few days reflecting and thinking about this possible possibility of dis~ease and the healing effects of the unitary epistemology of autopoiese as a reflection in the collective cultural matrix that cuts to the bone and marrow of human illness and collective psychotic behaviors.

    Very busy at the moment with TOOTE~V3W LLC and Maka Si Tomni endeavor at Pine Ridge Reservation and this appreciative conversation flows into a deep reflective tactical activity occurring in the landscape of relationships and points to a bright new dawn on the horizon very soon.

    Keep praying!
    Later Mushin

    Mushin

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